Comments on: to be or not to be……purpose driven http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:46:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: cozart http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-320 cozart Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:38:16 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-320 sounds like a good list. i haven't read Frame's <em>Knowledge</em>, but i have read parts of his <em>The Doctrine of God</em> and it's really good and very beneficial. i've heard the latter is a lot easier to read than the former, so good luck with it! other than Driscoll's book, i haven't heard of any of the other ones. definitely report on how they are! sounds like a good list. i haven’t read Frame’s Knowledge, but i have read parts of his The Doctrine of God and it’s really good and very beneficial. i’ve heard the latter is a lot easier to read than the former, so good luck with it!

other than Driscoll’s book, i haven’t heard of any of the other ones. definitely report on how they are!

]]> By: Rae http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-319 Rae Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:45:23 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-319 Let's see . . . Frame's <i>Doctrine of the Knowledge of God</i> Driscoll's <i>The Radical Reformission</i> Robert Webber's <i>The Younger Evangelicals</i> Michael Williams' <i>Far As The Curse is Found</i> or Horton's <i>God of Promise</i> Paul David Tripp's <i>Instruments in the Redeemer's Hands</i> David Hansen's <i>The Art of Pastoring</i> Kenneth Haugk's <i>Antagonists in the Church</i> Peter Scazzero's <i>The Emotionally Healthy Church</i> Also, Jim Collins' <i>Good to Great</i> which isn't theological (or even Christian) at all, and is more about management and such. Dang . . . after typing that out, I realize how full my plate is! :lol: Let’s see . . .

Frame’s Doctrine of the Knowledge of God
Driscoll’s The Radical Reformission
Robert Webber’s The Younger Evangelicals
Michael Williams’ Far As The Curse is Found or Horton’s God of Promise
Paul David Tripp’s Instruments in the Redeemer’s Hands
David Hansen’s The Art of Pastoring
Kenneth Haugk’s Antagonists in the Church
Peter Scazzero’s The Emotionally Healthy Church

Also, Jim Collins’ Good to Great which isn’t theological (or even Christian) at all, and is more about management and such.

Dang . . . after typing that out, I realize how full my plate is! :lol:

]]> By: cozart http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-317 cozart Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:59:27 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-317 rae, no, i've not read that on. i don't know that i've heard of it either, although i, of course, have heard of Ryken. Dever's book is definitely a great one. very easy to understand and very well written. i'd say it's probably the second best book on the church that i've read, the best being R.B. Kuiper's <em>The Glorious Body of Christ</em>. i've also received a copy of Harry Reeder's new book <em>From Embers to a Flame: How God can Revitalize Your Church</em>, and i hope to get that one read sometime soon as well. what else are they having you read? rae,

no, i’ve not read that on. i don’t know that i’ve heard of it either, although i, of course, have heard of Ryken. Dever’s book is definitely a great one. very easy to understand and very well written. i’d say it’s probably the second best book on the church that i’ve read, the best being R.B. Kuiper’s The Glorious Body of Christ. i’ve also received a copy of Harry Reeder’s new book From Embers to a Flame: How God can Revitalize Your Church, and i hope to get that one read sometime soon as well.

what else are they having you read?

]]> By: Rae http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-316 Rae Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:19:42 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-316 <i>Nine Marks</i> is a fantastic book. Interestingly enough, my pastor is having me read Philip Ryken's <i>City on a Hill</i> (among other things) before I come on staff in June. So far, it seems awfully similar to Dever's book. Have you ever read it, Brandon? Nine Marks is a fantastic book. Interestingly enough, my pastor is having me read Philip Ryken’s City on a Hill (among other things) before I come on staff in June. So far, it seems awfully similar to Dever’s book. Have you ever read it, Brandon?

]]> By: rich http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-313 rich Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:17:09 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-313 (not to say that the exclusion of certain people is not important. However, it is the one and only thing to a lot of people.) (not to say that the exclusion of certain people is not important. However, it is the one and only thing to a lot of people.)

]]> By: rich http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-312 rich Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:16:10 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-312 I do think it is sad when the main thing that matters about the Lord's Supper (or baptism, for that matter) to a pastor is that certain people be excluded. If your doctrine of the sacraments leads you to believe that this is so, then it is faulty (or you are not thinking about it correctly), because the Lord obviously meant it as a table set for the needs of his (needy) people. The Lord has entrusted his church with certain means for the building up of his people. Not only that, he has entrusted no one else with this. I do think it is sad when the main thing that matters about the Lord’s Supper (or baptism, for that matter) to a pastor is that certain people be excluded. If your doctrine of the sacraments leads you to believe that this is so, then it is faulty (or you are not thinking about it correctly), because the Lord obviously meant it as a table set for the needs of his (needy) people. The Lord has entrusted his church with certain means for the building up of his people. Not only that, he has entrusted no one else with this.

]]> By: cozart http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-311 cozart Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:16:58 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-311 hey rich, good to hear from you! that's a great observation and one i hadn't thought of. the sacraments should probably get their own chapter as a distinct mark. he does deal with them, though. he deals with baptism in the chapter dealing with a biblical understanding of conversion. since Dever is a baptist, he would, of course, say that only those who profess faith in Christ should be baptized. so if a person presents a credible confession of faith and exhibits biblical signs of true conversion, then that person should be baptized into the church as a necessary sign and seal of his or her entrance into the covenant community. the Lord's Supper, he sort of deals with in the chapter on biblical church discipline, and if and when a person should be excluded from the table based upon 1 Corinthians 11:27-29. but i think there could be a fuller treatment of this sacrament in a book about becoming a more healthy church. with different sacramental views, i can see why a chapter wouldn't be in there dealing with the sacraments and why he saw it sufficient enough to deal with them in other chapters the way he did. perhaps he should add an appendix for future editions adding the tenth mark of "a biblical understanding and practice of the sacraments" with a note exhorting pastors to teach their people the biblical understanding and practice of the sacraments as their tradition sees fit. but of course we know the presbyterian understanding and practice of the sacraments is the correct one :wink: hey rich, good to hear from you! that’s a great observation and one i hadn’t thought of. the sacraments should probably get their own chapter as a distinct mark. he does deal with them, though.

he deals with baptism in the chapter dealing with a biblical understanding of conversion. since Dever is a baptist, he would, of course, say that only those who profess faith in Christ should be baptized. so if a person presents a credible confession of faith and exhibits biblical signs of true conversion, then that person should be baptized into the church as a necessary sign and seal of his or her entrance into the covenant community.

the Lord’s Supper, he sort of deals with in the chapter on biblical church discipline, and if and when a person should be excluded from the table based upon 1 Corinthians 11:27-29. but i think there could be a fuller treatment of this sacrament in a book about becoming a more healthy church.

with different sacramental views, i can see why a chapter wouldn’t be in there dealing with the sacraments and why he saw it sufficient enough to deal with them in other chapters the way he did. perhaps he should add an appendix for future editions adding the tenth mark of “a biblical understanding and practice of the sacraments” with a note exhorting pastors to teach their people the biblical understanding and practice of the sacraments as their tradition sees fit.

but of course we know the presbyterian understanding and practice of the sacraments is the correct one :wink:

]]> By: rich http://brandoncozart.com/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/comment-page-1/#comment-310 rich Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:28:18 +0000 http://rmfo-blogs.com/cozart/archives/2006/02/01/to-be-or-not-to-bepurpose-driven/#comment-310 I didn't see anything about the sacraments listed there. Can a church be a healthy church without the signs and seals of the covenant? I didn’t see anything about the sacraments listed there. Can a church be a healthy church without the signs and seals of the covenant?

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